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:Editor's Note: Talk Is Good, Action is Better
Editor's Note: Talk Is Good, Action is Better
May 14, 2004, 23 :30 UTC (38 Talkback[s]) (9619 reads)

(Other stories by Brian Proffitt)

By Brian Proffitt
Managing Editor

When did Red Hat become the bad guy?

I mean, we've all criticized one company or another in the Linux community. It is the nature of an open society that people will speak their minds when they are opposed or in agreement with something. I've done it, you've done it, and it will continue to happen.

One of my jobs here at LT is to monitor talkbacks. The upshot of that is I get to read every single one that gets submitted to the site. Over the years, I have seen a lot of very large trends in this community, which, I believe, reflects that of the Linux community at large.

If you were to ask me right now which companies were most disliked by the LT community, I would draw up a list that would run something like this:

  1. Microsoft Corp.
  2. The SCO Group
  3. Red Hat, Inc.
  4. Sun Microsystems

I have always found it interesting that Red Hat has carried the brunt of so much hostility from vocal members of the Linux community. In talkbacks, at trade shows, at LUG meetings, Red Hat is usually mentioned at some point or another with almost the same amount of anger as is held for Microsoft.

And, I wonder, is this really a good idea?

Yes, Red Hat has done some things that have ticked people off. I certainly would not want to defend them. The departure from the low-end destop line, followed by the subsequent adoption of an enterprise desktop product line... it's enough to drive Linux fans a bit nuts.

Criticism exists on the enterprise level, too. Some Red Hat clients are increasingly unhappy with Red Hat's support policies, and with their seemingly proprietary API handling. And I agree that these are issues that need to be addressed.

But I think the community may be going about correcting these issues in the wrong way. Flaming and bile may look good on LT and Slashdot, but does it truely get any changes made? I do not believe so--in fact, I think this kind of rampant devisiveness only serves to harden Red Hat's resolve to move away from community-based Linux development and increases the opportunity for FUD from companies that don't want any part of Linux to succeed.

I would suggest a better way: vote with your wallets and pocket books. If Red Hat, or any other company, does not meet with your approval, there are countless opportunities to use other Linux distributions. The choices are fewer at the enterprise level, but they are there nonetheless. Mandrakelinux and SUSE are excellent enterprise platforms, and UserLinux, if it lives up to the hype, may be a good choice as well.

This is not about "giving in" to Red Hat, this is about exercising choice. If enough people in the community move away from Red Hat development projects and purchasing Red Hat support or licenses, then I think the message about their policies will be sent loud and clear.

Nor is this about "attacking" Red Hat. This approach to affecting change in a corporate situation can and should apply to any company. If, for instance, Novell gets too uppity in the future, then consumer-based protests may be a strong method to correcting their sins.

I am a huge advocate for free speech, and I am not asking everyone to settle down and play nice. I am proposing that instead of just talk and talk and talk, the community gets down to business and actually tries to affect the changes they seek. I think that when the Linux community blows a lot of hot air, they invalidate themselves. People and companies don't take them seriously.

I think that's wrong. I think the strength of the community as a force for change is severely underestimated. When we all participate, then I believe we will all be stronger for it.


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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
The market will correct itself. The only ...   He's gotta go   
WarrenG
May 14, 2004, 23:59:35
 
Certainly Red Hat has made a number of m ...   Red Hat is not the bad guy   
Joe Buck
May 15, 2004, 00:08:00
 
 This is not about "giving in" to Red Ha ...   Exactly right...   
I R A Darth Aggie
May 15, 2004, 00:42:14
 
Amen... well said.I think the Red Hat co ...   difference between socialist and libertarains   
Paul S Hahn
May 15, 2004, 01:53:43
 
DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion. ...   Thanks Red Hat!   
Bojan Smojver
May 15, 2004, 02:09:15
 
This is the first time in the history of ...   Sublime Chaos, Don't Stifle It   
David D. Huff Jr.
May 15, 2004, 02:12:27
 
It often feels like the bulk Linux commu ...   Agree 100%   
Daniel Carrera
May 15, 2004, 02:12:56
 
"Linux fans never do any work"         h ...   indeed action IF Requested!   
Robert M. Stockmann
May 15, 2004, 02:21:22
 
Brian, I think your piece takes a though ...   Needed to be said.   
Bob Lewis
May 15, 2004, 03:48:41
 
I also don't understand the level of ...   What's not to like about Red Hat?   
chip
May 15, 2004, 03:51:23
 
Apple.  Some people(including me) hate t ...   You forgot one other hated company   
Sepero
May 15, 2004, 03:53:34
 
Email I sent to sjvn on the same subject ...   Agree and disagree   
Curt Wuollet
May 15, 2004, 07:30:11
 
I doubt it makes any odds whether a comp ...   Well...   
Ex-Red Hat User
May 15, 2004, 07:33:17
 
a lot of hot air gets blown in the FS wo ...   hot air != inaction   
Brandon Niemczyk
May 15, 2004, 08:36:19
 
Ok, bashing is very popular in nowadays, ...   Can't blame Redhat   
Peteris Krisjanis
May 15, 2004, 09:36:47
 
Frankly, RedHat is the only commercial d ...   RedHat is 100% free!   
Olivier Crete
May 15, 2004, 11:38:03
 
Businesses and others who do not mind pa ...   Those who WANT to pay like RH   
K12linux
May 15, 2004, 12:53:59
 
>   They are making it harder for   low- ...   The RedHat Hater   
Byran Lee
May 15, 2004, 12:59:26
 
I've been a programmer for decades,  ...   People hate Red Hat?   
Kenneth Jennings
May 15, 2004, 13:36:30
 
1) I loathe Microsoft.If it were possibl ...   Inventory of Digital Loathing   
Kenneth Jennings
May 15, 2004, 13:48:16
 
Hello,I do not understand why Sun Micros ...   Why Sun Microsystems is 4`th ?   
moma
May 15, 2004, 14:15:06
 
In a place where I find myself cheering  ...   No worry   
Ed Craig
May 15, 2004, 14:21:39
 
Very vocal; very minor, I've mention ...   Vocal Minority   
E. A. Zen
May 15, 2004, 14:57:32
 
 "Demanding unrelenting bigiotry and pun ...   socialist v. libertarian nonsense   
CT
May 15, 2004, 15:46:48
 
> Amen... well said.> While the former h ...   Re: difference between socialist and libertarains   
wb
May 15, 2004, 15:54:44
 
The single reason: All RH we were using  ...   I'm acting: migrating 20+ servers from RedHat   
former redhat user
May 15, 2004, 17:24:46
 
I was a customer of Red Hat.  I bought m ...   Re: Red Hat is not the bad guy   
Charles Hixson
May 15, 2004, 22:48:55
 
Sun and Apple have the same problem: hal ...   Sun and Apple   
Leon Brooks
May 16, 2004, 13:12:34
 
EBay, that's a company that should b ...   Alternate hated company   
James E LaBarre
May 16, 2004, 14:04:54
 
1. There're good enterprises out the ...   OK, but...   
Amrein-Marie Christophe
May 16, 2004, 19:28:21
 
I'm the first to admit that Red Hat  ...   Some thoughts   
Havoc Pennington
May 17, 2004, 00:24:54
 
Links are stripped from the real post bu ...   Re: Some thoughts (links)   
Havoc Pennington
May 17, 2004, 02:04:44
 
Since we have your attention on this thr ...   [OT]: Nautilus spatial mode   
Bojan Smojver
May 17, 2004, 02:39:15
 
I completely agree with your comments.   ...   Re: Red Hat is not the bad guy   
Xanas
May 17, 2004, 06:24:04
 
I think a preference like "double click  ...   Re: [OT]: Nautilus spatial mode   
Havoc Pennington
May 17, 2004, 14:30:00
 
Support the Linux Standard Base.  (See:  ...   Another action: Support the LSB   
JJS
May 17, 2004, 18:27:50
 
I agree with much of what you wrote.  Ho ...   Re: He's gotta go   
Ronald D. Morley
May 17, 2004, 21:00:32
 
> I think a preference like "double clic ...   Re: Re: [OT]: Nautilus spatial mode   
Bojan Smojver
May 18, 2004, 02:13:25
 
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