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:ESR: Let Java Go, Round 2
ESR: Let Java Go, Round 2
Feb 19, 2004, 20 :00 UTC (28 Talkback[s]) (14280 reads)

(Other stories by Eric S. Raymond)

"Sun Microsystems might have responded to my open letter of 12 Feb (Let Java Go) by at least sketching a rational business case for Sun's rather inconsistent stance towards the open-source community; that might have led to an interesting discussion. Instead, Sun seems to have elected to try to shoot the messenger. This is unfortunate and not what I expected. Nor is it likely to win Sun friends or influence people--after all, I was only writing what many people in the open-source community (including many of Sun's own employees) are thinking.

"The response comes from Simon Phipps, Sun's Chief Technology Evangelist. Note that I have to go by published reports of his response, as Sun did not extend the courtesy of sending me a full copy and I have not yet seen one. It is possible that Mr. Phipps's full remarks are more sensible; I certainly hope they are, as the excerpts suggest an astonishing lack of professionalism on someone's part..."

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  Talkback(s) Name  and Date
First and foremost, I want to know, why  ...   Money for SCO   
Gerry
Feb 19, 2004, 20:20:21
 
Leave Sun alone. They are entitled to ma ...   Leave Sun alone   
jim
Feb 19, 2004, 20:45:06
 
...I only expect two possible responses  ...   For some strange reason...   
JCCyC
Feb 19, 2004, 21:08:32
 
Eric,Sun Microsystems is silly to have r ...   Got any other business to do?   
Appollo
Feb 19, 2004, 21:55:10
 
devestating...--------------GrayGeek  ...   ESR's response to Phipps is ...   
GreyGeek
Feb 19, 2004, 21:55:11
 
I know that this guy has done a lot of e ...   ESR is so arrogant !   
Mr T
Feb 19, 2004, 22:49:06
 
I have to say, although I respect the co ...   Sun vs ESR   
Eric Bresie
Feb 19, 2004, 23:53:49
 
Sun's not exactly in good company th ...   Gerry has it right...   
Dave Walker
Feb 20, 2004, 00:11:53
 
devestating... (sic)Yeah, to ESR. Two-th ...   Re: ESR's response to Phipps is ...   
SRE
Feb 20, 2004, 02:16:50
 
Just as well i'm a Free Software dev ...   Let ESR go ... please   
zed
Feb 20, 2004, 02:20:10
 
> First and foremost, I want to know, wh ...   Re: Money for SCO   
Bojan Smojver
Feb 20, 2004, 02:22:28
 
not--incorrigible ESR!--*shooting* the m ...   It's: *grinding me down*, ...   
R.L.
Feb 20, 2004, 02:25:52
 
ESR has it right;>>>If Mr. Phipps truly  ...   Sun blew it - java platform swirling   
Stephane
Feb 20, 2004, 03:15:00
 
Whether ESR is arrogant or annoying or w ...   The numbers will tell the story   
NBD
Feb 20, 2004, 03:40:19
 
i pity ESR for his short-sightedness, wi ...   maroon   
riggits
Feb 20, 2004, 04:49:07
 
    I only count people who give me lots ...   sun, professionalism, java..   
Eric G.
Feb 20, 2004, 09:13:01
 
After reading this response carefully, I ...   Reasonable   
JfBasti
Feb 20, 2004, 09:23:24
 
[ESR camp]:A lot of people appreciate th ...   The Red team, the Blue team   
Jose
Feb 20, 2004, 13:08:37
 
That said, it annoys me a lot when peopl ...   Re: Leave Sun alone   
I R A Darth Aggie
Feb 20, 2004, 14:18:03
 
> Java is less and less a factor. It&#39 ...   Re: Sun blew it - java platform swirling   
Disc Wiz
Feb 20, 2004, 14:58:32
 
 Yeah, to ESR. Two-thirds of the content ...   Re: Re: ESR's response to Phipps is ...   
I R A Darth Aggie
Feb 20, 2004, 15:23:27
 
 I think they were actually buying some  ...   Re: Re: Money for SCO   
I R A Darth Aggie
Feb 20, 2004, 15:26:18
 
and is telling "yes, SUN is a friend"Ray ...   Community is speaking   
Crow
Feb 20, 2004, 17:36:15
 
 If Mr. Phipps truly thinks "Java is eve ...   Re: Sun blew it - java platform swirling   
Eric Bresie
Feb 20, 2004, 19:12:11
 
Although my no means all inclusive sourc ...   Cross section of developers   
Eric Bresie
Feb 20, 2004, 19:35:08
 
>  I think they were actually buying som ...   Re: Re: Re: Money for SCO   
Eric Bresie
Feb 20, 2004, 19:44:56
 
 Well it's already the dominant tech ...   Java doomed to be dominant technology.   
Shamar
Feb 21, 2004, 00:59:14
 
> Your naivete is touching, but you don& ...   Re: Re: Sun blew it - java platform swirling   
Stephane
Feb 21, 2004, 14:54:37
 
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